THIRD INTERVIEW

 

In November 2021, Stephen talked to Fox News for 90 minutes. Only a small portion of what he shared was aired.

Jennifer: Do you have a job in prison?

Steve: I just recently changed from the kitchen to the transitions clerk. I now help get people ready to be released (get IDs, find housing, find jobs, etc). I get to talk guys, and I enjoy that. It's also a salaried position, so I have more free time for my legal and religious studies.

Jennifer: Where are you now in terms of your legal work?

Steve: I just sent in my first US Supreme Court writ of certiorari. I'm anxious to see what they say, because I showed it to the "legal beagles" here and they said they couldn't do any better, but only about 1 in 2000 are reviewed by US Supreme Court.

Now I'm working on my post-conviction pleading. It's a never ending job until I get out. In my mind, the evidence is in my favor. I just need to get someone to listen, and it will happen eventually. 

Jennifer: A friend who has been following your case has some questions for you that he sent to me. I’ll just put them to you. First one, setting up a TOR browser is fairly complicated. Why did you have it set up and for what reasons did you use it?

Steve: If the TOR browser that I'm referencing is the same as what he’s referencing, it was a single app that was just click and install. If he's referencing something different that could be important. 

Initially Amy did a Google search for "private web browser" because she was upset about all the tracking that Google did. I thought she installed TOR on her computer as part of that experiment, but according to the State's computer forensic report it wasn't installed on her computer, so maybe she installed something else. They said TOR wasn't installed until November of 2016, But it was part of trying to find a browser that didn't collect and sell all your information. 

Jennifer: Thanks, Steve. Here’s another one. Can you explain how your iPhone and or MacBook Pro could’ve been hacked? Did you have any security in place in your home office to prevent Internet hacking, such as a firewall?

Steve: I'm not sure our computers were hacked over the Internet, or just accessed over our internal network. 

The lady I believe was dogdaygod had access to Amy's training arena and it was on the same network with the house. There was no firewall between those 2 spots. As far as how they hacked the devices, I have no idea. We've never even had a chance to look at those devices. The prosecution gave our devices to a third party company (Lanterman's) and he "offered" to make us an image of a device for something like $700 each, so times 66 devices equals about $45,000 just to get the images. Does something seem wrong about that?

I know on the Mac and on Amy's laptop we had VNC-type remote apps, and while I don't know how to hack it, I know it is easy to access properly (one password and you're in). The other thing we noticed on Amy's computer was it was running extremely slowly, so much so that she had ordered a new computer a week or so before she was killed. For example I would hardwire my PC laptop to her network connection and go to speed test.net and might get 100mbps download and when I plugged her into the same cable it would be half or worse (50mbps). 

She also had weird things like emails showing read when she didn't read them, or unread when she knew she had read them. Also her business website would crash when she had an event sign up, but it was from a commercial hosting site, so having 100 or so people access the site (even if it was simultaneously) shouldn't crash it, and she had tickets open with her provider and they could never find anything wrong.

Jennifer: Thanks, Steve. None of that information came out in the documentaries I watched. I appreciate it. One more question for you, why didn’t you turn over your MacBook Pro laptop when you turned over whatever other devices you turned over in the initial investigation?

Steve: I don't remember the whole conversation with the FBI initially, and what they said they were looking for, but I know that they knew I had work computers and phones. I gave them what they asked for. One of Amy’s friends noticed some of these issues I told you about, because she was Amy's "Marketing advisor" and helped with the website. I'm not sure if they are just coincidences, but these were really strange, and were never investigated.

Jennifer: Yes, I found in the case of Adam’s story, that the truth was in the details that weren’t shared with the jury, and yet the prosecutor admitted in an interview three years after the trial that she pared it all down, even if that meant leaving unanswered questions. She admitted that she selected the details about the case that would give her the verdict she wanted. 

Let’s switch gears a bit, I get the impression from what I’ve read that you did a lot of traveling, both for work and together with Amy?

Steve: Yes, and I remember you telling me you’re from the Toronto area. I've only been there once and it was for work, but I liked what I saw.

Jennifer: It’s a great city, yes. (Smile)

Steve: Amy and I traveled a lot, but we never made it there for a vacation. We made it to Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, St.John's Newfoundland, and Banff.

She was a great traveling companion and I think we made it to about 25 different countries together in 20 years.

It’s sad, but the photo you see of Amy [sent to Besa Mafia] was one that we took while in Hawaii a year or so previously. This picture was on a backup drive that we had in Amy's arena. (The lady I suspect of contacting Besa Mafia had access to it). The other thing that's interesting about that picture is it was one that Joe put on a blog that he did as a school assignment while we were at the Feast, and the blog link was sent to friends and Amy's dog classes. She might have had it from there too. 

If I was sending a photo I could've grabbed any picture and could've taken a more recent picture. Additionally this was posted to our website. The odd thing here is that if I was posting it then I could've just pushed that one picture up, but for some reason it looks like the whole website was downloaded, the file added, and the whole website was uploaded again. I thought the picture was already there as part of Joe's blog, so I'm not sure why all this happened, but it's strange. All of this activity would have left log files on the computer that did it and there aren't logs on my computer of any of this.

Jennifer: This case is very detailed when it comes to the techie-side of things. I think that’s why people are just willing to accept the authorities at the their word when it’s all explained to them in the documentaries. I look forward to reading the trial transcripts for myself and to see what came out and what didn’t. One question I have for you is, how did the killers know to come in the back way, rather than the front way? 

Steve: I think it's funny, in a sad sort of way, that the media makes such a big deal about the camera in the back and claiming "how did the killer know it didn't record?" I don't think they needed any special knowledge, because it's the only obvious way to enter the house from where they were parked. 

Amy's students noticed the guy's car parked on the north side of her dog arena. The "parking lot" is on the west side, so they noticed a car "out of place" on the north side at 4:45 PM, and it was gone when they left at 6 PM. From there, there's a solid wood panel fence to block the view from the road that goes all the way to the house. Then if you go around to the back of the house, you're not visible from the road. 

The first door is the rear garage door. I don't remember if it was locked or not, but he'd be able to see her through the glass sliding door. So, camera or not, that's the most logical point to try to get in. Our locking mechanism didn't work, but I've talked to guys here that say those are easy to break into.

Jennifer: That makes sense. I read in one of the articles that your last family vacation was in the autumn and that you went to Germany. It was good to read that Amy was able to sleep well and truly relax for the first time in ages, since getting that news from the FBI.

Steve: Yes, the Germany trip was our last Feast together. The whole family stayed together in a big condo. It was a wonderful trip.